Friday, October 22, 2004

Creamhadeen charge Coulter

Ann Coulter drives liberals into a berzerker rage by equating them to terrorists - they can't figure out why she would.

"Al Pieda" Targets Ann Coulter

OCTOBER 22--Meet "Al Pieda" disciples Phillip Edgar Smith and William Zachary Wolff. The Tucson men, both 24, were arrested last night after throwing custard cream pies at author Ann Coulter during her speech at the University of Arizona. Portions of the pies connected with the conservative commentator's face and shoulder, according to this police report, which quotes Smith saying that he and Wolff were "throwing the pies at her ideas not at her." Cops also noted that a post-arrest search of the assailants turned up "pieces of paper (propaganda) involving Coulter's name and the explanation of 'Al Pieda.'" Smith, a UA student, and Wolff were charged with criminal damage, a felony, and misdemeanor counts of disorderly conduct, vandalism, and assault without injury. The felony charge resulted from damage to a backdrop that school officials estimated at $3000.

So, guys, which did you hit - her or "her ideas"? I trust you'll have opportunities to explore the difference between the two starting... oh, about now.


Blogger The American Warmonger said...

I miss the good old days when people were brave enough to pie you face to face, like Bill Gates.

I wonder if the pie crust used real Crisco or if it was halal?

5:39 PM  
Blogger dfgdthnnbd said...

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8:49 PM  
Blogger dfgdthnnbd said...

Wow! It's a felony to throw a pie at someone? I know, the pie did $3000 damage, gimme a break! Us citizens better never pull a stunt again. We all better behave like good little kids, cuzz big bro will slap you down if you ever step out of line. Are we living in Singapore (you know, where you can't even chew gum), or what? Man, in a few more years, every US citizen will be a felon for one reason or another! Anybody else out there have a problem with this?

8:49 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

What do you have that's worth $3k? I'm curious to see if you'd mind if I destroyed it.

9:08 PM  
Blogger dfgdthnnbd said...

Your response to my comment has caused me much emotional grief. I will send you the $3,000 bill from my psychiatrist session. Unless, of course, you would rather me just have you charged with a FELONY. LOL.

I am not saying that the damage shouldn't be punished, I am only questioning who should be doing the punishing.

Tell me this, where in the US Constitution does it give the Federal Government the power to make anything other than treason a crime against the Federal State? It doesn't! When you accept this type of illegal encroachment of Federal Law into the jurisdiction of State Law, then the individual States lose their sovreignty. And when the states lose, the citizens lose. But I doubt you understand the difference. All you seem to care about is that your precious Coulter was made sport of. Eventually, all of us will lose, because the Constitutional right to free press and speech will be completely rescinded (try having a conversation about anything political in an airport, you will be hauled off very quickly), and then even you won't be able to rant against the liberals, nor they against you.

Liberals. Conservatives. Moderates. All are statists. All begging government to do their bidding, hence growing government. The more the government does, the more all are entrapped.

9:38 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tell me this, where in the US Constitution does it give the Federal Government the power to make anything other than treason a crime against the Federal State?

Well, since the express purpose of the Constitution is to spell out the powers that are to be granted to the federal government, I'll have to say "The entire document, and all amendments". The right and responsibility to print and coin currency is a federal one, for example; counterfeiting is therefore empowered to be a federal crime, which I note doesn't happen to be treason. However, since I clearly do not understand that difference, and I can only assume that your understanding of constitutional law is sublime in comparison to my own, perhaps you can explain to me what state's rights have to do with the felony criminal damage charge? You do know that "felony" isn't a synonym for 'federal", right?

All you seem to care about is that your precious Coulter was made sport of.

Then you've missed the point. What I care about is that any inclinations toward civil discourse are vanishing from the American left. She was not "made sport of" - she was charged by two guys who threw pies at her because they didn't like "her ideas". Throwing things at people is not "free speech", it's assault; but if the assault is aimed at anyone but a liberal, today's liberal typically thinks there's nothing wrong with it. I'm outright sickened by things Norman Mailer says, but I've never imagined that this confers to me any right to throw something at him. Not that the notion lacks appeal...

"A free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular" - Adlai Ewing Stevenson

I see these two jackasses; I see protesters assaulting supporters; I see campaign signs and posters destroyed by anonymous cowards (and curiously, they're never Kerry/Edwards materials); I see voters intimidated by Democrat rallies at early vote polling places. Whenever I see people who seem to feel no obligation to accord their fellow citizens the most basic level of respect, they're liberals - the American left has gone from being a cohesive ideology to being a populist mob. There is a palpable sense that the left is entitled to stifle or suppress anything or anyone who disagrees with them, in whatever manner they see fit.

That's what I care about, Kreskin - that crap has to go.

1:37 AM  
Blogger dfgdthnnbd said...

Definition of Felony

A felony, in many common law legal systems, is the term for a "very serious" crime; misdemeanors are considered to be less serious. Crimes which are commonly considered to be felonies include: aggravated assault, arson, burglary, murder, and rape.

I guess "pie throwing" is now included.

Felonies are supposed to be for serious crimes against person or property. These are called "person felonies". Now they have created a new type of felony called "nonperson felonies", and they are slowly moving what used to be misdemeanors into this new category. You'd be suprised what constitutes a nonperson felony nowadays. For example, downloading music is a recent addition. And that's a felony? Incredible! It's a misdemeanor, at best!

By the way, I am not defending their actions. I am just trying to call attention to the fact that more and more misdemeanors are being moved up to the felony level. What's next? Sassing a cop? Oh, nevermind. It already is. Just kidding.

Here is another new nonperson felony. False impersonation is a severity level 9, nonperson felony. Now this is just a joke, so don't get weird on me, but all you trick-or-treaters are felons for impersonating witches and ghosts! lol, just kidding!

5:59 PM  
Blogger dfgdthnnbd said...

By the way, the US Constitution does not give the Federal Government "the right and responsibility to print and coin currency". What is does say is:

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

The framers clearly intended a national monetary system based on coin and for the power to regulate that system to rest only with the federal government. The delegates at the Constitutional convention rejected a clause that would have given Congress the authority to issue paper money.

Money is defined as a tradable commondity used to eliminate barter. Money (ie. coins of gold, silver, and other valuable metals) is to be minted and regulated by Congress. "Paper money" is not money. It is "fiat money" or false money sanctioned by the government. "Paper money" are notes (IOUs) issued by Congress. In the USA, these notes were once redeemable for gold (backed by gold) and we used them freely. Now, these "notes" are decreed "legal tender", and those of us who understand what they really are, use them under protest, as we don't have much choice. But at least Americans can own gold again. So, we buy gold (real money). Yes, gold is the only real money...why do you think that all international accounts between countries are resolved only with gold? Because the government understands what most of its' citizens don't. That you can tax your citizens through the hidden tax of inflation once you force them to use your fiat paper money. It just can't be done with coin. That's why the Constitution allows only coining money. They had already dealt with runaway inflation which impovershed thousands. They didn't want the government to have the ability to do it again.

6:30 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Definition of Felony.

I didn't ask for the definition of a felony, I asked you to explain what the felony charge had to do with state's rights. Your indignant assertion was that this isn't a federal issue - that's correct, but I'm still not understanding where you ever got the idea that anyone thought that it was.

I guess "pie throwing" is now included.

If I'm to give you credit for being literate, you must be perfectly well aware that pie throwing is charged as misdemeanors, assault without injury and disorderly conduct, and that damaging $3,000 property is what constitutes a felony.

Felonies are supposed to be for serious crimes against person or property.

The reckless disregard of the pie-laden brownshirts brought damage to $3000 property - that is serious. The value of the property involved is a component of property crimes; stealing a car is a greater crime than shoplifting gum, and setting fire to your mailbox is a lesser crime than setting fire to your house. If you'd like to maintain that it isn't that serious, then I'll ask you again - what property do you own that's worth $3k? Would you honestly feel that the willful or reckless destruction of it warranted only a misdemeanor?

8:51 PM  
Blogger dfgdthnnbd said...

I am wondering how a pie could do $3000 damage. Seems a little inflated. Stain removal is cheaper than that.

As for the Fed thing, you're right, I misspoke. I apologize.

8:59 PM  

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